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[stas]

Who are America's fastest-growing class of millionaires? They are police officers, firefighters, teachers and federal bureaucrats who, unless things change drastically, will be paid something near their full salaries every year--until death--after retiring in their mid-50s. That is equivalent to a retirement sum worth millions of dollars.
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So when you hear that government workers now make, on average, 30% more than private sector workers, you are not getting the full story. Government workers make more than twice as much as private sector workers, on average, when you include the net present value of their pensions.

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[eta-ta.livejournal.com]

according to what criteria? and why they job is more deserving than private sector jobs?

[stas]

Do they? How do you know they deserve 150K+ equivalent salary?

[morgulis.livejournal.com]

http://www.qualityhealth.com/relationships-articles/8-most-dangerous-jobs-world

http://money.msn.com/content/invest/extra/p63405.asp

[eta-ta.livejournal.com]

no more risky than oil workers on the rig in the ocean, or the commercial sailors, or pilots.
Firefighter's or policeman' job don't require extensive education, training or, frankly, level of intelligence that the above professions do, and yet their salaries are enhanced already - because they are compensated for the risk they are taking.
They definitely don't deserve DOUBLE of those salaries when they are no longer perform that risky job - or don't work at all.

Besides, why oyu drop the teachers out of that "deserving" category? The quote and the article @the link list them, too - are their work double dangerous as the private sector teacher or a childcare provider?

[hahi.livejournal.com]

Насчёт полицейских есть выбор - либо им платят налогоплательщики, либо бандиты.

[eta-ta.livejournal.com]

so it's a blackmail against the public - is that what you're saying?
Well, then - blackmail is a criminal offense, as I understand.
If not for police union and ridiculous rules for entry (and racist AA quotes, favoring certain "minorities"), the salaries would go sharply down.
And there'll be no immensely, indecently obese "law enforcement officers", making a doughnut stops every 2 hrs when they are on patrol...

[eta-ta.livejournal.com]

the same way, probably, as Soviet planners calculated proper salaries for engineers, or doctors, or karate instructors

[hahi.livejournal.com]

I used to think it's just a common sense.

[eta-ta.livejournal.com]

come again?
what is common sense?
and why "used to think"- you don't anymore? so what you think now?

[stas]

Миллиона хватит? Но у бандитов тоже есть миллион. Надо каждому полицейскому платить по триллиону. В день. Или не надо? Есть всё-таки какая-то граница, выше которой платить не надо? Скажем, втрое выше средней зарплаты? Вчетверо? Вдесятеро? Где вы предлагаете остановиться?

[stas]

Please explain how exactly they deserve 150K+ salaries. How you know who deserves it and who does not? How you know how much exactly they deserve? Maybe they deserve $500K and we are underpaying them?

[eta-ta.livejournal.com]

your argument is police and firefighters deserve double salaries because their professions are high risk. Teachers' aren't high risk. And you still claim they deserve it. So what's the excuse here?

[hahi.livejournal.com]

Я, собственно, ничего не предлагаю, кроме простого и общепринятого объяснения, почему в развитых странах полицейские имеют хорошие зарплаты и социальные условия. Как показывает опыт - в целом это работает неплохо, особенно если сравнивать со странами, в которых полицейские живут за счёт поборов с автомобилистов и мелких торговцев. А вот что предлагаете вы, мне непонятно. Мне кажется, что к полицейским и пожарникам законы рыночной экономики вряд ли применимы.

[stas]

Полицейские и прочие госслужащие имеют хорошие зарплаты, потому что у них большой и злобный профсоюз. И потому что их зарплата не ограничена ничем, кроме банкротства тех, кто им платит зарплату - на порогое которого ныне и находится Калифорния, например. Каким образом я не хочу, чтобы в местности, где я живу, местная власть обанкротилась - понять трудно. Но, наверное, все-таки можно.

[stas]

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