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Microsoft Shuts Down Chinese Blog
Microsoft's Web log service bars use of terms such as "democracy" and "human rights." On the China-based portal of search engine Google, a search for material the Dalai Lama, Taiwan and other sensitive topics returns a message saying "site cannot be found."
Last year, Web portal Yahoo! was the target of criticism when it was disclosed that the company provided information that was used to convict a Chinese reporter on charges of revealing state secrets.
Microsoft's Web log service bars use of terms such as "democracy" and "human rights." On the China-based portal of search engine Google, a search for material the Dalai Lama, Taiwan and other sensitive topics returns a message saying "site cannot be found."
Last year, Web portal Yahoo! was the target of criticism when it was disclosed that the company provided information that was used to convict a Chinese reporter on charges of revealing state secrets.
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Re: How google does it
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Under your definition every single business on this planet is evil - it has to submit to local rules (don't show kiddie porn, don't deny holocaust, don't copy copyrighted software). they are submitting to local rules, hence are evil.
Re: How google does it
Re: How google does it
For the record, I do think that the law requiring every internet entity to filter results is sort of bad.
But the fact that one is adhering to laws we consider bad does not necessarily make him bad.
For example - all search engines filter nazi propaganda sites in europe.. because they have to do so according to a bad law. This does not make them bad at all.
Re: How google does it
Re: How google does it
Among the storm of comments from different sides, I found an interesting trend - all the users who actually live in china - want google to stay, even censored.
So no, in this case evil/non-evil is definitely not clear-cut .
Re: How google does it
Are you sure? Compare:
http://images.google.com/images?q=tiananmen
http://images.google.cn/images?q=tiananmen
Where's explicit notification? My Chinese is not very good, to say the least, but I can at least see if the text is present, even if it's in Chinese. Where's the text saying anything got filtered?
So no, in this case evil/non-evil is definitely not clear-cut .
Oh sure, to help to opress Chinese people or not to help - what of this is evil and what is not? That's a tricky question. Not for me, though. For some "liberals", apparently, it is.
Re: How google does it
Says:
据当地法律法规和政策，部分搜索结果未予显示。
"Some results were removed from this search to meet local regulations"
btw, when searching google.cn from here, i got this in search results on tiananmen:
Eyeballing Tiananmen Square Massacre
Students from more than forty universities march to Tiananmen Square in protest of
the April 26 editorial in the ... Calling for freedom and democracy, demonstrating
students surround policemen near Tiananmen Square in Beijing, China, ...
--- and there are quite a lot results like this.
My first thought was that google gives me different view from that avaliable to chinese, so i took the trouble to go there via a chinese proxy - truth about tiananmen still in results
61.246.232.214:6588
Re: How google does it
opression: the state of being kept down by unjust use of force or authority
Google does not keep anyone down, for that matter. They went into china and become oppressed themselves , ir they could stay outside and watch.
Noone except the chinese government prohibits people to go to the google.com and see for themselves.
In the same vein, if you do business in germany, you will have to avoid certain topics too. Kind of 'being oppressed'.
as for 'liberal'/'republican'/'democrat' whatever - these words dont have any meaning here. there are just people.